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What product? I haven't heard anything on their bill or their bill being better or if they have a bill...just the ones the dems are proposing is bad, that's it. This is it, think I found it....
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That is if the bill with the option can't go through, use it against them in, since it's come down to political gain.
Dude that wasn't real hard to follow. Stripes was reffering to the dems not backing their own product.
I butchered the hell out of it, thought he said they also supported their product better. Dem's don't have the numbers in the Senate.
The first step is admiting there's a problem. :DQuote:
I butchered the hell out of it,
Blue Virginia: Mark Warner WILL NOT Vote Against Public Option
Looks like Warner will be backing the Healthcare Bill.
Figured it'd be a good idea to move this thread and the town-hall thread to the politics forum, figured they'll continue and no one wants them here. lol
WASHINGTON (CNN) – The Senate Finance Committee will vote on its long-awaited health care bill next Tuesday, Majority Leader Harry Reid announced on the Senate floor Thursday.
On Wednesday, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimated that the amended version of the legislation would cost $829 billion over the next 10 years.
It would also reduce the deficit by over $80 billion, the office concluded.
The Finance Committee is the last of five congressional panels to consider health care legislation before debate begins in the full House and Senate. Committee members were waiting for the budget office's cost analysis before voting on their version of the bill.
The measure was initially drafted by Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Montana, after months of negotiations with five other panel members — three Republicans and two Democrats. It represents the only proposal so far with the potential to attract any Republican support.
After the Finance Committee votes on its measure, the Democratic leadership in each chamber will meld together single, separate proposals for floor debate in coming weeks.
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WASHINGTON - Assaulting people because of their sexual orientation would become a U.S. hate crime in legislation the House is set to vote on Thursday.
The bill would significantly expand the hate crimes law enacted in the days after the assassination of civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. in 1968.
With the expected House passage and eventual approval by the Senate, federal prosecutors will for the first time be able to intervene in cases of violence perpetrated against gays based on their sexual orientation.
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Civil rights groups and their Democratic allies have been trying for decades to broaden the reach of hate crimes law. This time it appears they will succeed. The measure is attached to a must-pass $680 billion defense policy bill and President Barack Obama — unlike President George W. Bush — is a strong supporter.
"It's a very exciting day for us here in the Capitol," said the leader of the House, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat, saying hate crimes legislation was on her agenda when she first entered Congress 22 years ago.
She said it has been 11 years since the gay college student Matthew Shepard, whose name is attached to the legislation, was murdered.
Many Republicans, normally stalwart supporters of defense bills, declared they would vote against it because of the addition of what they referred to as "thought crimes" legislation.
"The very idea that we would erode the freedoms for which our soldiers wear the uniform in a bill that is designed to provide resources those soldiers need to get the job done and come home safe is unconscionable," said Rep. Mike Pence, a member of the Republican leadership.
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Republican opponents were not assuaged by late changes in the bill to strengthen protections for religious speech and association — critics argued that pastors expressing beliefs about homosexuality could be prosecuted if their sermons were connected to later acts of violence against gays.
Supporters countered that prosecutions could occur only when bodily injury is involved, and no minister or protestor could be targeted for expressing opposition to homosexuality.
The bill also creates a new federal crime to penalize attacks against U.S. service members on account of their service.
Hate crimes legislation enacted after King's assassination defined hate crimes as those carried out on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. It also limits the scope of activities that would trigger federal involvement.
The proposed expansion would include crimes based on gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability. It eases restrictions on federally protected activities.
The FBI says there are some 8,000 hate crimes reported around the country in a year. More than half of those are motivated by racial bias. Next most frequent are crimes based on religious bias at around 18 percent and sexual orientation at 16 percent.
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